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 Ok, so my brother and I had a small finale-marathon tonight: Swan Song, Let it Bleed, and The Man Who Knew Too Much and the thing is, I've been wondering about some details regarding soulless!Sam in the S6 finale. 

I initially had the thought, and I've seen it floating around the interwebs, that there shouldn't have been a soulless!Sam hallucination during Sam's headspace roadtrip in 6.22 because, um, soulless. 
 
So, there's that. But then, the whole, "We're in your grapefruit, Sam." 
 
That's a Lucy quote, kids. And as soon as that came out of soulless!Sam's mouth, I was like, "OH  SHIT SON."
 
And then we were re-watching Swan Song tonight, and you know what? Swandive!Sam and soulless!Sam have the same wardrobe. I mean, it's the exact same jacket, shirt, everything. Ok, sure, Sam was wearing that outfit at the very end of the episode, when he was being a creeper, and was technically, at that point, soulless. But IDK. The grapefruit quote still rubs me the wrong way (in a good way).  Jared even said it like Lucifer. 
 
So. I don't think my bleeding fangirl heart is going to be able to take that, if Sam's post-wall state ends up being what I currently suspect that it might be. I just want Sammich to be okay (after, you know, an episode or two of post-wall residual effects of win) and mostly, himself.
 
Aw. BB.
 
Also? My brother is not one to usually comment on actors and their skill.  So my brain melted a little when we were watching Swan Song and my brother looks over and says, "Wow. Padalecki can really act."
 
"Um. I know."
 
"No, but, like, even the body language between real Sam and Lucifer Sam.... It's really something."
 
"I know. The internet knows. We just wish that the Gods of Casting for films of a higher caliber than Friday the 13th and the Christmas (fucking) Cottage knew."
 
JARED! I less-than-three you! You are shiny. Your smile powers the sun. Also? I've seen the con pictures and your hair is beautiful. Don't listen to the dissenters. Haters gonna hate. KISSES!
 
Okay, kids. Radium Girl's beat. She walked through a thunderstorm to pay the nice mechanic an ungodly sum of money (ok, not really, but it feels like it) to make Lucy the Staypuft Marshmallow Car roadworthy again.  More substance tomorrow; possibly a discussion of how I inadvertently became the office whore without even sleeping with anyone. 

Date: May 27th, 2011 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] si-star-x.livejournal.com
*Hugs* SAAAAM. I want s7 now! I'm away for a week from tomorrow but should still have Internet on my phone (hopefully). Going to stay in a log cabin with a fishing lake and nature. S'gonna be nice.

Date: May 27th, 2011 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
*tacklehugs*

I'm really stoked for 7. Season 6 had alot of bumps that I hope to see smoothed out.

Vacation! Have fun! I'mma miss yoooou! <3

Date: May 27th, 2011 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] si-star-x.livejournal.com
Hehe... Vacation... You Americans... ;-)

I should still (fingers crossed) get the 'net on my phone so I should still be around.

Didn't wanna spam Mina's journal yesterday but yes! Adventureland with Hell!Sam would be interesting. He would be too twitchy and nervous to do anything, but we could hold his hand and skip along.

Date: May 27th, 2011 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
Hahaha, omg, on Jeopardy the other night, there was a catagory all about "English English" and the contestants were given the American word for something and had to name the English word.

(My brother and I are obsessed with Jeopardy. We keep score. It gets violent.)

And I was all, "I GOT THIS. I WATCH DOCTOR WHO."

...and I failed so hard. It was great.

Adventureland with hell!Sam! Yes! It keeps wanting to turn into casefic, and I don't want to go there, because that's alot of thinking and runs the risk of getting REALLY long...so, we'll see where it goes. The big question plaguing me now is, "Do I want to be an asshole and have clowns show up?"

We usually don't have clowns in the park, but on certain days, like the 4th of July, Old-Timey Days, Italian Day, etc...we do.

Date: June 3rd, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] si-star-x.livejournal.com
Oh! New header! Pretty! :D *Stares*

That sounds absolutely hilarious. Do you remember what the words were?! XD

You definitely want clowns. Even for the briefest of moments. Definitely. Want. Clowns.

I went to the circus once and sat on an elephant to have my picture taken. I realise the error of my ways and will not do so again. Poor elephant. ♥

Date: May 27th, 2011 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmram.livejournal.com
Oh, oh! The grapefruit quote!

This reminds me of the first time we saw Robo!Sam (ok, apart from the final moments of s5, we didn't know what we were looking at then), when Dean wakes up and sees Sam, and I jumped like two feet in the air and went, "Shit, that's Lucifer!" I mean, DUDE. The smirk, the demeanour!

I always thought the Lucifer!smirk was Padalecki's stock expression for smug and ~subtly evil~. But he's done such a great job with everything else, so... I don't know. THIS FANGIRL WILL LIVE IN DENIAL.

"I know. The internet knows. We just wish that the Gods of Casting for films of a higher caliber than Friday the 13th and the Christmas (fucking) Cottage knew."

Yes yes YES. Please YES. I forced myself to sit through those movies because, y'know, Padalecki. God were they horrible. >.

Date: May 27th, 2011 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
I seriously thought it was Lucy too, when Dean woke up that time! OMG.

It COULD be a stock expression. I mean, Jared has to play alot of variations of evil!Sam, so I'm sure there's some overlap. I mean, your face only makes so many expressions.

I don't want full-blown Lucifer though. I'd be cool with like, just some little piece, nagging Sam, just letting him know he's still around.

Unless...like...Idk, Cas ended up being like, the Hitler of Gods and Lucifer seemed like the better alternative and it turned into a Lucifer!Sam/Godstiel smackdown...but I don't know if I really want that. Mostly, I just want our Sammy back...with a side order of hell issues.

I haven't watched Friday the 13th yet. I'm really not a huge slasher film fan. I sat through My Bloody Valentine for Jensen and while I don't hate it, I feel bad that the only things I like about it are the things I can mock (as an individual who hails from the area where the movie was filmed and supposed to take place, I find alot of the FAIL on details to be hilarious) which is sad because Jensen was great. It's not his fault it was just a crappy movie to begin with.

The Christmas Cottage has become a holiday tradition in my circle of geeky RL friends. We've actually come to the conclusion that as sucky as it is, if it wasn't supposed to be a biopic about Thomas Kinkaide, and just some generic Christmas movie, we'd probably be able to stomach it better. At least we have Jared's dimples. It's still cheesy as hell though. OMG.

*sigh* I just wish they could be in movies that aren't...embaressing.

Date: May 27th, 2011 04:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ladyjane
lol -- I just finished rewatching the last few epis from Frontierland to the Finale. :DDD

So, are you thinking that Soulless!Sam had remnants of Lucifer clinging to him? Or that Lucifer had worn him for long enough that, without a soul to guide him, Sam tended toward the dark side?


btw,I spotted something in The Man Who Would Be King. Crowley said something like, "I know a big, bald, patriarch I can take off the bench." If CROWLEY was the one who brought Samuel back, that means Samuel was in HELL, not Heaven. D: (No wonder he was such a douchebag.)

I just hope Crowley's promise to resurrect Mary doesn't mean the YED hauled her down to Hell. Perhaps Crowley would have had Castiel resurrect Mary? *grasps at straws*

Date: May 27th, 2011 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
Hmmm....I can see either of those arguments working. I'm not sure which one I cling to yet. Lol. I DO keep coming back to that whole "demons are made by centuries of tortue" thing though. And Death's whole, "You might not like what you see" behind the wall warning. He could have just been referring to bad memories...but I feel like bad memories are almost a drop in the bucket for Winchesters. What would they REEEEALLY not like? Turning into a demon.


I think Crowley would have gotten Cas to resurrect Mary if it came to that. I think Mary was in Heaven because of Dark Side of the Moon and all the Zachariah shenanigans up there. I mean, he COULD have conjured her out of nothing, maybe...but...but...

Okay, and the fact that Ash said he never ran into either her or John...isn't really lending well to my delusions...but SHE'S IN HEAVEN, DAMMIT. HEAVEN.

Headcanon, thy name is Denial.

Date: May 28th, 2011 12:21 pm (UTC)
ladyjane: whipped cream and hand-cuffs. "Got Plans?" (Boyz in da Impala)
From: [personal profile] ladyjane
the fact that Ash said he never ran into either her or John
I didn't remember that until you mentioned it. DD: If Mary IS in Hell, it would explain why Samuel was so desperately to bring her back.
~ ~ ~

They aired the S6 Premiere last night. Watching S6 and knowing what's coming has me asking all sorts of questions.

- I was struck by the coldness of the male cousins. Is it possible they were also brought up from Hell?

- Did the Campbells go demonic when they were down there? Cas said Samuel had a soul, but he didn't say what shape it was in. (Which makes his comment about Sam scaring the Hell out of him even more devastating.)

- Gwen doesn't seem as off-putting as the guys, but if you listen to her speech patterns and watch her mannerisms, there is a hint of... Meg? Ruby? in the way she conducts herself.

- Thinking about the episodes ahead, Eve must have been delirious at being able to take out Samuel. He was the one who was turning her children over to Crowley, after all.

Date: May 28th, 2011 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
The cousins always rubbed me the wrong way. They all seemed pretty soulless. I was seriously hoping we'd learn how Sam even came to find them, why he teamed up with them, etc. I think their lack of explanation is one of the weakest points in the season.

For the sake of avoiding a total brain melt-down, I'm leaning towards them all having been resurrected by Crowley and Cas to be a sort've "super hunting team" to catch Alphas. Not only would they be the "best of the best" in the hunting world, but they'd be easy to manipulate, lack morals, etc.

I really hope we get more information about them in S7. Otherwise, their whole existence was a waste, imo. :/

I REALLY hope Mary isn't in Hell. But then, she was a ghost for awhile, technically, I guess, in "Home." Right? Are ghosts considered monsters? Would she have gone to purgatory after she "died" again? It's not like she was an evil spirit...and she left of her own volition...I DON'T KNOOOOOOW. Explain it, Show. EXPLAIN IT.

Date: May 27th, 2011 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raloria.livejournal.com
I totally caught that grapefruit line, too. Oooooh. What does it mean???? Who knows, but it was a nice call back to Swan Song. :) Nice catch on the clothing being the same, too.

So impressed with Jared's acting in the finale. He played each part of Sam so differently and it was fascinating to watch.

Date: May 27th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
Jared's acting was phenomenal. I would love to know how his headspace approaches playing the different Sams. Are they all the same character to him? Just with different qualities and traits? Are they entirely different characters?

I really hope the grapefruit line means something, lol. I love when Show makes my head explode. Hee.

Date: May 27th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahirire.livejournal.com
Nearly all of the things said in Sam's mind were quotes - even from the bartender. I have compiled a comprehensive list, complete with comparison screencaps to other episodes, and I shall post them ... someday. Lol.

Date: May 27th, 2011 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radiumgirl.livejournal.com
Really? That's awesome! I love when Show is clever like that....though I feel this dashes any hopes of seeing Nagging!Lucy in Sammich's brainspace any time soon.

Date: May 29th, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmram.livejournal.com
This made me go back to Sam's dream sequence and pay closer attention to the dialogue. I placed "your eggs are a bit scrambled" from "Like A Virgin" (Dean said that, I think) and I'm fairly sure I've heard "the quacks will hash it out" on Show before. And, oh! The "El Sol" logo in the background! Isn't that the same brand of beer that was prominent in Dean's djinn-induced alternate reality in 2.20?

Oh, and that guy who Sam passes by before going to the motel room in the "Nite Owl" - hello, replica!Bobby! All these little clues right there that none of it was real... wow, Show. Just wow.

I have compiled a comprehensive list, complete with comparison screencaps to other episodes, and I shall post them ... someday.

\o/ Looking forward to it!

Date: June 26th, 2011 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahirire.livejournal.com
Ooh. El Sol comes up so much that I passed right over that one, lol. Anyway, the list is up now. It kind of turned into more of a recap/review, but there is still a bunch of stuff in there. :)

http://tahirire.livejournal.com/306189.html

Отличный блог!

Date: June 8th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] furievuz.livejournal.com
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